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jeremyjuicewah

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Hi has anyone used one of these? Scroll to the last write up.

http://theowanne.com/knowledge/chamber-sizes

I found this very interesting. I was looking for info that might help me with a bari mpc, but when I saw the extra small chamber bit and it said often used in rock and roll, I was surprised. I would have though large chamber, more roar, like my jumbo java.

So if you have used one, what do you think of it and how does it differ from other mpcs? Also, if you have one, what make and model do you have.

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Mike
 

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The smallest chamber I would use is an Absolute R, but it defies the general concept of big/small chamber, due to its design.
Don't confuse the chamber size with the baffle design, that is where the roaring originates.
In baritone terms, a PPT is a large chamber with a possibly roaring baffle (I seem to remember, but I could be wrong), Berg Larsen are medium chamber with varying baffles
 

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I use to play Dukoff, X, D or S chamber, on all saxes. Nowadays I play Rovner Deep-V D40 (big window, dual chamber with baffle) on tenor. On baritone I play a Saxgourmet (Steve Goodson) Low Rider (0.120"). Mouthpieces like these are good if you want an "edgy" and piercing sound.

One of my Rovner Deep-V (late one just before they went out of production) goldplated # 8 compared to a Dukoff X chamber (a D chamber with a hollow in the baffle to make it easier to play the low tones).
RevnervsDukoffX.jpg

Steve Goodson has a new mpc called the "Rottweiler".
http://nationofmusic.com/shop/tenor-mouthpieces/saxgourmet-rottweiler-tenor-saxophone-mouthpiece/
I'm going to buy one. Seems to be a fine mouthpiece. Call SG, he is a helpful guy.
 

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I had a look at the variety of mouthpieces than Theo Wanne makes.
It has a deep, hauntingly gorgeous tone that only poetry can describe
Is an example of the sales guff. I've not seen so much ******** on one page for a long time. I can't say it makes me want to buy one.

Anyway, back to chambers.
In baritone terms, a PPT is a large chamber with a possibly roaring baffle
Well it does roar a bit (PPT 8*). The baffle is very smooth though, unlike the other bari mpc I use (Jody Jazz DV9). Not easy to tell from the pics but the baffles are somewhat similar in height. The transitions to the chamber are considerably different. The chambers appear to be of similar diameter. You wouldn't think they sound at all similar, but they do.
 

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Isn't the chamber of the PPT larger than the bore?
A technical carachteristic that only poetry can describe.
 

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Have been back to Theo Wanne to read about baffles. I didn't know anything about this either. I thought the baffle was the step you see when you look through a mpc. I can see the roll over on my link, cant really see what the java is, probably a roll over again, but its chalk and cheese from the Link. Then there is the Runyon Quantum with the spoiler which I think is a huge step baffle which is why it silences lead guitars and other irritants.

Have also looked at my Metalite mpc for bari, haven't tried this yet as the sax is still at overhaul, but its very well thought of and often spoken well of, and is very cheap, which is whey I bought it. I have the Graftonite too but I am not sure about that.

I began by trying to find out what a wide chamber mpc would be as I am told by an old bari player that such a thing, pre 50s, will be best for my Pensyvania bari. I feel I am about to begin a whole new experience in spending.

http://bassic-sax.info/blog/?p=483
Above is some good info on mpc anatomy and a bit on Metalite for anyone who is sick in bed or is trying to ignore Herself shouting from the other room.

Like that Dukof, but I am a sucker for anything that says it makes the low end easy.

Every time I begin to learn something I find out how little I know. Gets you down after sixty years or so.
 

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Isn't the chamber of the PPT larger than the bore?
A technical carachteristic that only poetry can describe.
On further examination. Yes, it is.
Scratch what I said before about the relative chamber sizes of the two. The JJ one is smaller than the bore. Which makes the similarity in sound even more surprising. I guess the baffle height is contributing most to my perception of that.
 

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I began by trying to find out what a wide chamber mpc would be as I am told by an old bari player that such a thing, pre 50s, will be best for my Pensyvania bari.
You can get tuning problems with small chamber bari mpcs and old baris. It's why you see a lot of old baris with extended necks.

I am a sucker for anything that says it makes the low end easy

Having a decent, well regulated sax makes most difference. Close lays help too.
 

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Another aside:
If you look at the pic of the Jody Jazz above you'll notice the discolouration on the table. That's the result of me accidentally leaving the reed on overnight after a gig. I'm not sure that says more about the composition of my saliva or the finish on £500 worth of mouthpiece.
 

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You can get tuning problems with small chamber bari mpcs and old baris. It's why you see a lot of old baris with extended necks.

Watched an old prog of Louis Armstrong a few weeks ago. With a very fat lady who could dance like crazy. Might have been Bessie Smith. But, I saw the saxes in the band with great long necks, I thought it was just a weird thing of the screen, maybe it was extended neck thing.

Doesn't an increase in the length of the neck mess up the intonation of the sax?
 

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Some people see the complete inner volume of a mpc as the chamber. Therefore a mpc with a high baffle always is having a smaller Volume and "chamber" as one with a medium or lower baffle. Regarding the idea of the missing cone and how some mpcs behave i think this makes sense. The "chamber" after the baffle alone says not much about a mpc and what you can expect soundwise.
 

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