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I just got a new yani tenor and set it on my Hercules stand. The little brace at the bottom flipped up and the sax smacked into the stand (luckily it didn't fall over). I checked it out and there's a tiny ding on the front of the bow. I know this is purely cosmetic and won't affect the playability at all, but I'm pretty bummed out considering I've had it for less than 24 hours. Does this look like something a tech could fix? I can hardly feel the bump and I don't feel anything on the inside where the ding is so I'm not sure if it's even possible.
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Dented sax on day 1
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Sorry that happened, it's awful when the instrument is brand new.
Over to our tech, Den Tedbell
Over to our tech, Den Tedbell
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Of course a less honest person would return it to the retailer and say it was like that when they got it.
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greenstripe
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Gutted for you. Hopefully you can get it sorted-out, it doesn't look too bad.
I've totally gone off Hercules stands for this and another reasons I did slightly scratch the lacquer on one of saxes when the exact same happened to me and then a bolt sheered off on one of the legs and fortunately I caught it as my sax was on its way to the floor.
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I've totally gone off Hercules stands for this and another reasons I did slightly scratch the lacquer on one of saxes when the exact same happened to me and then a bolt sheered off on one of the legs and fortunately I caught it as my sax was on its way to the floor.
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A hinge pin on one of the upper arms of my Konig and Meyer portable stand just fell out the other day. I was not impressed.
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LostCircuits
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I have a Hercules for my bari and another one for tenor/alto but I don't use the latter because it is utter crap.
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I always like horns that have a little damage because you don't have to be so worried about the first scratch or dent in future.
It's the start of your horn's voyage, its history,
Having said that, my newly polished Grassi tenor, when shipped back in its awful Berkeley case (lesson learnt - always destroy Berkeley cases), had 17 new dents.
Matt Sheward at (then) Connolly-MIR removed all of them absolutely invisibly. Easier with no lacquer.
Should cost you maybe £20 to see how it comes out.
It's the start of your horn's voyage, its history,
Having said that, my newly polished Grassi tenor, when shipped back in its awful Berkeley case (lesson learnt - always destroy Berkeley cases), had 17 new dents.
Matt Sheward at (then) Connolly-MIR removed all of them absolutely invisibly. Easier with no lacquer.
Should cost you maybe £20 to see how it comes out.
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Bummer 🙁
Leave it alone.
Do tighten the bolt some on that lower support. They do have a tendency to flip up when taking a sax off the stand. I have a dozen of these. Still I prefer the old clunky Hamilton Classic.
Leave it alone.
Do tighten the bolt some on that lower support. They do have a tendency to flip up when taking a sax off the stand. I have a dozen of these. Still I prefer the old clunky Hamilton Classic.
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ghostler
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Sorry to hear that it happened to your new horn. Personally, I would just leave it, as long as none of the keys were bent. You can have it worked on when your sax needs other work by a tech.
I had a brand new sax that was less than a week old. Left my seat in the community band to use the water closet. Came back, it had slid off my metal chair onto the floor, putting a crease in a portion opposite behind the lower E key, bent a few keys. Now I bring a sax stand with me to rehearsal.
I had a brand new sax that was less than a week old. Left my seat in the community band to use the water closet. Came back, it had slid off my metal chair onto the floor, putting a crease in a portion opposite behind the lower E key, bent a few keys. Now I bring a sax stand with me to rehearsal.
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JayeNM
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@l8r_g8r , as stated by others, very minor (gotta admit those Hercules stands drive me nuts, tho...I dunno how they have achieved such a good reputation).
You can take it to a tech and they'll stick a dent rod and ball down the bell and smooth it out from the inside. Maybe 20quid. Or just live with it and when you bring it in for a tune-up down the road, have it dealt with then.
You can take it to a tech and they'll stick a dent rod and ball down the bell and smooth it out from the inside. Maybe 20quid. Or just live with it and when you bring it in for a tune-up down the road, have it dealt with then.
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J for Jazz
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That's happened to me using those stands as well - I'm super careful to check that the lower support is fully down every time I place my sax back on it. I thought Hercules were supposed to be quality products - they don't seem to be
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I plan on taking it to a tech sometime soon just to get their opinion. I've checked the inside (both sight and feel) and can't find any protrusion of a ridge or bump. Are surface level dents a thing? Can the lacquer be "dented"? Honestly, if I didn't know it was there I wouldn't be able to feel it on the outside either (and question if what I feel in that spot is just placebo)
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LostCircuits
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Magnetic balls don't work that well for this kind of kink, at least in my experience. A conventional dent rod with a relatively small dent ball and guided by a pilot magnet would be what I'd do. And never forget, you fix the rod in place and move the instrument over it for this kind of work.
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Just be careful guys. It's a thin brass tube, in sections, with a clear brittle coating. Lots of moving parts that need to line up exactly and be airtight.
No bumps or bangs or shaking the case or rough handling allowed.
Yamaha's are pretty tough though and relatively cheap.😉
No bumps or bangs or shaking the case or rough handling allowed.
Yamaha's are pretty tough though and relatively cheap.😉
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Once upon a time, as a very young man, I took my recently freshly resprayed secondhand car back to the paint shop, because of a similarly minor but infuriatingly needless little ding. The wise old car guy asked me wryly if I really wanted to prolong indefinitely a situation where the driver looks worse than the car he gets out of. A light came on in my head that day. I never did get that ding sorted, and acquired others subsequently in a relaxed frame of mind...
I love the blemishes and traces of history on my saxophones. Flawless looks are inconsequential, especially when it comes to making music.
I love the blemishes and traces of history on my saxophones. Flawless looks are inconsequential, especially when it comes to making music.
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Dented lacquer? Not as such. Thing is, when your horn cops a dent it stretches the metal. This is why it can be quite hard to perform an invisible repair. When you move the metal back into place there's just a little bit more of it (in terms of surface area) than there was before - so you usually end up with what's called a 'witness mark'. This usually presents itself as a ripple on the surface of the body tube. There are ways of removing such ripples but they tend to be mildly destructive (filing, heat etc.).
And whatever's on the surface of the metal gets stretched too - such as lacquer or plating. When you push the metal back into place it often leaves the surface finish slightly crazed...and if you have any scratches associated with the impact that cause the dent, you're pretty much stuck with them.
It also has to be said that it can be the case that having a small dent removed makes it stand out all the more. Depends on many factors, but the skill of the person carrying out the work is one of them.
My advice in situations where a horn cops a small cosmetic ding is to leave it alone...and wait until you REALLY drop it.
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