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Does anyone have any info about this horn? i bought it for a ridiculous price a couple of years ago,and would love to know something about its history.
i have trawled the net but i haven't come up with anything concrete one thread said it may be a Kielworth
Conn 10M stencil but apart from a similar left hand keystack nothing else seems that much like like it.
that said its an awesome horn it has a gsharp trill key which i have not as yet had reason to use, and a very versatile sound i use in both rock and jazz work and it does fine in both
 

kevgermany

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Pics and serial number would help. If it was made by Julius Keilwerth, it'll have a 'best in the World' stamp on it.
Lots of saxes to compare it to on saxpics.com.

Hohner Presidents were made by Hohner, in a factory run by one of the other Keilwerth brothers, Max I think.
 
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Pics and serial number would help. If it was made by Julius Keilwerth, it'll have a 'best in the World' stamp on it.
Lots of saxes to compare it to on saxpics.com.

Hohner Presidents were made by Hohner, in a factory run by one of the other Keilwerth brothers, Max I think.
thank you Kev, nothing on the sax except for Dearman President in large letters and distributed by John Dallas.
i will try to get some pics when time allows once again thanks for your help
 

thomsax

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I think there was a collaboration between the three Keilwerth brothers. Julius settled down in Nauheim, BRD (Toneking, New King,,) , Max made saxes for the Hohner company near Trossingen, BRD and Richard became a citizen in Marknuekirchen, DDR (Weltklang, B&S ...). I think most Dearmans were made in Germany, but Taz convinced us that some were made in Italy as well. The post-war manufactoring of stencil saxes was Europe confusing.

I have never played or owned a Dearman sax, but I do have a Dearman tenor mouthpiece. Dearmans mouthpieces were made in England!!!

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm201/thomsax/DEARMAN.jpg

Thomas
 
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kevgermany

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That mouthpiece looks just like a Brillhart Tonalin, and they did make them in England as well as the US. Interesting, especially as the English ones are all supposed to have a brass reinforcing band around the shank.

Am not sure about the level of collaboration that was possible between the brothers post war. There were serious obstacles between East and West Germany. But post-war German saxes were often of excellent quality - the mid fifties Kohlerts for instance. And the Hohners & JKs are highly thought of by many.
 
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zootsaxenberger
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I think there was a collaboration between the three Keilwerth brothers. Julius settled down in Nauheim, BRD (Toneking, New King,,) , Max made saxes for the Hohner company near Trossingen, BRD and Richard became a citizen in Marknuekirchen, DDR (Weltklang, B&S ...). I think most Dearmans were made in Germany, but Taz convinced us that some were made in Italy as well. The post-war manufactoring of stencil saxes was Europe confusing.

I have never played or owned a Dearman sax, but I do have a Dearman tenor mouthpiece. Dearmans mouthpieces were made in England!!!

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm201/thomsax/DEARMAN.jpg

Thomas
yes my sax was definately made in Germany it says as much on the sax,it would just be nice to know which sax it was a stencil of.
thanks.
 
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zootsaxenberger
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I think there was a collaboration between the three Keilwerth brothers. Julius settled down in Nauheim, BRD (Toneking, New King,,) , Max made saxes for the Hohner company near Trossingen, BRD and Richard became a citizen in Marknuekirchen, DDR (Weltklang, B&S ...). I think most Dearmans were made in Germany, but Taz convinced us that some were made in Italy as well. The post-war manufactoring of stencil saxes was Europe confusing.

I have never played or owned a Dearman sax, but I do have a Dearman tenor mouthpiece. Dearmans mouthpieces were made in England!!!

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm201/thomsax/DEARMAN.jpg

Thomas
how does it play?
 
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gladsaxisme

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Hi zoots

I have a dearman president tenor in a rather tatty state unfortunately and rather clattery but still playable

this has been identified as a Weltklang and is built like a tank (typical german engineering)...john
 

thomsax

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how does it play?
I haven't played it. But it looks nice. Some marks, but nothing to talk about. It's stamped "Tenor, Lay # 3* IVOREX" on the box. No ligature but a 2-screw std lig is fine. I got the mouthpiece when I bought a tenorsax. Maybe something for a Dearman sax owner?

Thomas
 
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zootsaxenberger
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Hi zoots

I have a dearman president tenor in a rather tatty state unfortunately and rather clattery but still playable

this has been identified as a Weltklang and is built like a tank (typical german engineering)...john
thank you for the info John how did you find out what it is?
 
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zootsaxenberger
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hello Taz.
i have read your account, and i found it fascinating. my wife, who i always refer to as"the boss" often moans about the working saxes that litter our home let alone ones in a state of disrepair.
 

gladsaxisme

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thank you for the info John how did you find out what it is?
Hi zoots

Sorry for the delay in replying I took the sax to my local tech for "lets call it an apraisal"and he could recognise the design of a lot of the keys and also it's case was of the design used on Weltklang horns,,,john
 

jonf

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If anyone's interested in one of these, have a look in the For Sale bit.
 
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