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NicholasCBV

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This just popped up on my eBay search (the hunt for a sop is on). I’m 100% certain it’s a fake and I won’t be going anywhere near it, but I thought I’d share it with you for general interest: eBay Listing

The biggest tragedy is that one poor soul has jumped onto it straight away, probably thinking that they’ve got the deal of a lifetime. As with all counterfeits, the issue is that every time they are sold on, they gain a little more history and stronger provenance, and unless one has the technical knowledge of the brand/instrument to spot the differences, an unsuspecting buyer could pay huge money for a substandard horn.

I’m very new in rejoining the game, but with all of the secondhand horns I’ve looked at, I’ve done a reasonable amount of research to double-check their authenticity, including with my tenor, comparing photos with other versions and getting in touch with the maker to check the serials. Are there any other top tips I should consider?

Here are the photos in case it disappears:
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nigeld

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The white gloves are a bit of a giveaway.
 

nigeld

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Are there any other top tips I should consider?
"Unwanted gift"
"Cash only"
"I know nothing about it"
are warning signs.

Anybody putting up a solid silver Yani for sale would at least have checked the retail price.
(Although the original retail price for that particular sax was probably about £250.)

Also if you ask if you can come and try it and it turns out that it is currently on a Scottish island. (Applies particularly to Mk VI's).
 
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NicholasCBV

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"Unwanted gift"
"Cash only"
"I know nothing about it"
are warning signs.

Anybody putting up a solid silver Yani for sale would at least have checked the retail price.
(Although the original retail price for that particular sax was probably about £250.)

Also if you ask if you can come and try it and it turns out that it is currently on a Scottish island. (Applies particularly to Mk VI's).
Thank you, these are great!
 

tenorviol

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The poor quality fluffy stick is also a giveaway - you wouldn't put something that cheap and nasty with an expensive horn.
 

TheCureFan

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Also if you ask if you can come and try it and it turns out that it is currently on a Scottish island. (Applies particularly to Mk VI's).
Just asked this question Ie can I come and test it and this was the response :-

“You can come to see it. But it’s not suitable to be try due to the new condition. Sorry about that“
 

nigeld

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Just asked this question Ie can I come and test it and this was the response :-

“You can come to see it. But it’s not suitable to be try due to the new condition. Sorry about that“
Blimey! It must be bad!
 

DavidUK

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Here's its twin from AliExpress.

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That one at least has a correctly shaped bell key guard and gold neck receiver and bell joint.

I can't find many differences in the photos of some on Google. Look at the engraving (which is different, but elaborate) on this one for £279...



So, you get tempted to save 95% of the cost of a real one JUST because it looks the same. Ego trip?

Then you try playing it, or worse "your little girl" does and you/she sounds like a pig on a ferris wheel.

I wonder if @Stephen Howard @jbtsax @JayeNM have ever had someone who had the Garageband, sorry, audacity to bring one in for a set up and if so how the conversation went?

Repairers ought to have the legal power to hold it up by the neck and smash it down onto a metal workbench. That's the sax I'm talking about, not the cheapskate/gullible/fraudster/owner, although...

Anyway, you're stuck with this thing which has lost its attraction so what do you do?
Sell it as genuine on eBay and risk a prison sentence "I had no idea m'lud"?
Or sell it as "Yanagisawa copy" - still a criminal offence, even worse perhaps as you're saying you know it's a fake.

Or, as I've just messaged the eBay seller... "chuck it in the bin".

That's the only safe way out of your crime.

£510.00 and 7 bids as I type. Reported.
 

nigeld

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Sometimes the photos are of the genuine article.
 

DavidUK

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Sometimes the photos are of the genuine article.
The main photo from the one I was looking at may be:


Let's not encourage folks now! o_O
 

nigeld

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Some poor person seems to have paid over £1000 for that fake Yanagisawa.

Now the seller has got either the same one or another one for sale - collection only and payment in cash. So the buyer will not be able to use Paypal buyer protection.

I think that rules out the possibility that the seller believed that the sax was genuine.
 

JayeNM

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It is 'relisted'....which, if one is optimistic - might mean the buyer bailed on paying.

OR, the buyer payed (and subsequently will get reamed).... and this is just another one.

Could well be the seller has a dozen of these.

I reported it, as Dave suggested. Please do same.
 
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