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Bernie

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Well we had been talking recently about playing by ear and how to get into it, and I thought Naima might be more satisfying material than Three Blind Mice for that purpose. What would you achieve? Well, you might achieve "playing by ear", which would be quite something in itself if you can't already do it, and it might allow you to play with more of a sense of freedom?
 

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Well we had been talking recently about playing by ear and how to get into it, and I thought Naima might be more satisfying material than Three Blind Mice for that purpose. What would you achieve? Well, you might achieve "playing by ear", which would be quite something in itself if you can't already do it, and it might allow you to play with more of a sense of freedom?
Thanks, I see now but wouldn't I be playing the notes partly from memory?

Guess I won't know unless I try though :)

I like the sense of freedom idea

Jx
 

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Thanks, I see now but wouldn't I be playing the notes partly from memory?
Well in one sense that is what playing by ear consists of, I mean you can't play a tune by ear unless you can remember how it goes. But maybe you meant something different: you might be trying to play the tune while thinking "now it's an F and the fingering for F is...".

What I have in mind is more like what you would do if you sang the tune to yourself.
 

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Yes what I meant was, as I have played it a few times my fingers may know where to go from memory as opposed to me hearing the note and playing it but my memory isn't that good so who knows.....

Jx
 

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Yes what I meant was, as I have played it a few times my fingers may know where to go from memory as opposed to me hearing the note and playing it but my memory isn't that good so who knows.....

Jx
Do you think you hear the note and then sing it when you sing a song you know?
 

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Rob Pealing

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I really struggled with this tune (which I thought was going to be easy!).
https://soundcloud.com/mike-morrell-765250389%2Fnaima-mike View: https://soundcloud.com/mike-morrell-765250389/naima-mike

I left a few gaps so that my backing trio could shine while I caught my breath;)

Naima shows up everything I need to work on and it's been a great learning experience. But I'm ready to practice something else now!

PS. I welcome any critical feedback on things to improve!
I Enjoyed it. I think the "catching breath" spaces work well. It seems to me that everybody who tackles this finds it more difficult than they expected from the dots and comes away from it feeling they have more to learn from it yet is seems such a simple tune when one listens to it.
 

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I Enjoyed it. I think the "catching breath" spaces work well. It seems to me that everybody who tackles this finds it more difficult than they expected from the dots and comes away from it feeling they have more to learn from it yet is seems such a simple tune when one listens to it.
Thanks Rob, though playing it back now, it sounds worse than it did when I uploaded it!
 

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Naima shows up everything I need to work on and it's been a great learning experience. But I'm ready to practice something else now!

PS. I welcome any critical feedback on things to improve!
It seems to me that everybody who tackles this finds it more difficult than they expected from the dots and comes away from it feeling they have more to learn from it yet is seems such a simple tune when one listens to it.
Holding one steady note for an entire bar is no mean feat... I found it a pig too

Practising long notes, keeping steady air support and controlling your embouchure are probably all gonna help
 

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One observation about playing from memory/by ear. The music usually comes through better. Even with top players there's often a disconnect between music and performance when reading. The extra brain work needed seems to stifle individual interpretation.

I was at a concert given by an excellent classical guitarist a couple of years ago. He's head/professor of guitar at a conservatory. All the pieces in the first half he played from the score. Nice but a touch stilted. Second half was from memory. Huge difference. It flowed better, interpretation was better...
 

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One observation about playing from memory/by ear. The music usually comes through better. Even with top players there's often a disconnect between music and performance when reading. The extra brain work needed seems to stifle individual interpretation.
I'd like to respectfully disagree with that - if only speaking for myself. Having the music there doesn't mean extra brain work, it means less - I no longer have to rack my brain trying to remember it. I feel much more free when I've got the music in front of me than when I'm doing it from memory.
 

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One observation about playing from memory/by ear. The music usually comes through better. Even with top players there's often a disconnect between music and performance when reading. The extra brain work needed seems to stifle individual interpretation.

I was at a concert given by an excellent classical guitarist a couple of years ago. He's head/professor of guitar at a conservatory. All the pieces in the first half he played from the score. Nice but a touch stilted. Second half was from memory. Huge difference. It flowed better, interpretation was better...
I'd like to respectfully disagree with that - if only speaking for myself. Having the music there doesn't mean extra brain work, it means less - I no longer have to rack my brain trying to remember it. I feel much more free when I've got the music in front of me than when I'm doing it from memory.
Well for what it's worth you are both probably right on this one. It will lie with the player as to what he feels at home
with. I have noticed that with a lot of beginners they tend to be OK when following the notes but when they come to improvised playing, timing and tuning seem to go out the window. It's as if because there concentration is no longer focused on something they don't concentrate on anything:confused2:
 
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