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old git

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My favourite publication's music correspondent, Lunchtime O'Boulez reported on the disgusting statistics in the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra. Until 1977, the VPO never had a female as a full member and on their 2012 New Year Concert they only had an 0.08% feminine membership. Totally inappropriate, you will agree.

This affects us at the caff©. Mandy has a 100% female saxophone quartet. This is totally unfair, there should be a fifty-fifty split and two new waistcoats must be knitted so that they button up on the correct side.

Nick and Jules will have to wear feminine attire every other gig although they might already do that. Ivy Benson's all girl orchestra and the Dagenham Girl Pipers must be prevented from performing until the proper balance is achieved. Boy's Brigade Drum and Bugle bands must be immediately abandoned.

This bias must be made instant history.

Apologies for being serious.
 

BigMartin

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The solution seems obvious to me. Give Mandy's sax quartet a regular spot with the Vienna Phil. Let them buy their own waistcoats.
 

kevgermany

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OG. There is no equality. Attempts to impose it by quota will be resisted by force - as any quota system, by definition, ingores the realities and wishes of the individual. Let's see - how about trying to impose a requirement that we have an equal split of the sexes amongst our pensioners? Shall we go out and press gang sufficient old ladies to satisfy your whims?

Members of the Vienna Philharmonic are drawn from the membership of the Vienna State Opera. And selection for the orchestra is based solely on ability, consisting of blind, anonymous auditions. The orchestra's web site has a list of current and retired members. There are quite a few females there, although by no means 50%. It seems that the New Year 's Concerts use a smaller section of the orchestra. Perhaps some of the other lady members weren't available on 1 Jan this year?

As for Mandy's quart/quintet, I'm sure they have their own objective methods of determining suitability for membership. Knitting, sewing, gossiping probably feature high on the list, second only to talent. Would you really want to invade such a clique?

Personally I think a yellow blazer and skirt would look good on you.
 

Young Col

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Don't tempt him Kev. What would the police think if they found him dressed like that out in the car park at night with his telescope?
 

BigMartin

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Members of the Vienna Philharmonic are drawn from the membership of the Vienna State Opera. And selection for the orchestra is based solely on ability, consisting of blind, anonymous auditions.
I find that hard to believe. I was shocked to see even fewer women there than a few years ago (i thought I caught a glimpse of one for a few seconds). Even if the audition procedures are as you say, there are always subtle ways of making a group feel unwelcome to apply (the simple fact that there are so few women there to start with will do that, unless you make it clear that you are especially keen to recruit women) or making them uncomfortable when they take up the job (have some of the women left in the last few years?). I visted Vienna in the late 1970's and found it quite depressing the way the mindset there seemed to be stuck somewhere around 1830. I hope it has changed since then, but the sight of an almost entirely male orchestra in 2012 makes it look unlikely.
 
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aldevis

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Maybe I would get more gigs with a (huge) breast implant.
 

old git

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OG. There is no equality. Attempts to impose it by quota will be resisted by force - as any quota system, by definition, ingores the realities and wishes of the individual. Let's see - how about trying to impose a requirement that we have an equal split of the sexes amongst our pensioners? Shall we go out and press gang sufficient old ladies to satisfy your whims?
Yes please.
 

MandyH

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I find that hard to believe. I was shocked to see even fewer women there than a few years ago (i thought I caught a glimpse of one for a few seconds). Even if the audition procedures are as you say, there are always subtle ways of making a group feel unwelcome to apply (the simple fact that there are so few women there to start with will do that, unless you make it clear that you are especially keen to recruit women) or making them uncomfortable when they take up the job (have some of the women left in the last few years?). I visted Vienna in the late 1970's and found it quite depressing the way the mindset there seemed to be stuck somewhere around 1830. I hope it has changed since then, but the sight of an almost entirely male orchestra in 2012 makes it look unlikely.
I believe we saw a female 'cello player and the female harpist. We searched for others, having noticed a distinct lack of them. We even used the pause facility (we'd recorded the program) if we thought we spotted one, but to no avail.

As for my quartet, I would have to admit that the ability to gossip and giggle help somewhat. We had a male alto player in mind, but decided the female one was better for us. :)))

And on the subject of gossiping and giggling.... I drive the minibus for our local hospice, we bring wheelchairbound patients into the day hospice for a change of scenery and to give their other-half a break for a few hours. I am the only female mini-bus driver there. I take an escort (that's a person, not a van) with me, the escort is almost always female. Occasionally we pick up a lady from one of the villages. We invariably get off chatting, which leads to giggling and eye-opening discussions. She always says how much she enjoyed the journey, because she just couldn't have "those sorts of conversations" if there had been a man present. :w00t:

So whilst I agree that the Vienna Philharmonic are rather too male heavy, I also think that single-sex scenarios can be critical on some occasions.

And I don't wish to see any of you gents wandering the streets in female attire, OK?! :shocked: :)))
 

Justin Chune

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My late clarinet teacher told me that he and a young male trumpet player from Glasgow depped with the Ivy Benson All Girl band when it came to Scotland. Wigs and frocks were the order of the day.

Jim.
 
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