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Here's a mildly interesting sax: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/alto-saxo...t=UK_Woodwind_Instruments&hash=item3f3eba81e4

As far as I can establish this is an Edgware made B&H model from 1932 in which year B&H was formed.
Not a stencil, but an actual British horn with rolled tone holes to boot!

Could be a bit of a sleeper, as B&H horns are mostly thought of in terms of eastern European stencils.

Anyone going to have a bid? (I'm going to resist this one!)

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Interesting , especially as it doesn`t look much like a Hawkes XX Century (which was a Pre B&H UK Horn)
 

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rolled tone holes - I'd guess that it's a german stencil - maybe a Kohlert
 

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Nope. Not a Kohlert, although later ones were. I'm sure this is a proper Edgware built model.
 

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It might be useful for the Sax buying public here to know why this seller may be dodgy . relevant to the thread in case someone wants to take a punt on that B&H
 

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I sold him a sax and he subsequently tried to lower the price before buying, said that it had been mailed to a wrong address asked for money off, every trick in the book. I was also told that he simply buys horns and turns them around with dodgy claims of repads, refurbs, etc

Caveat emptor
 

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Not wanting to change the thread but the seller - Sentimood - of these horns is a dodgy so and so, keep clear
Dave & I will continue to debate...

I see a lot of 400s and La Fleurs but it was the RTHs which caught my eye. First thought was Kohlert, maybe even Keilwerth, but that L/H pinky table with nail file G# rules those out...

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for the sake of clarity, the instrument at the top of this thread is being sold by a different seller than the one I posted which is being sold by the seller that Prof has had unfortunate experiences with..
 

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Dave & I will continue to debate...

I see a lot of 400s and La Fleurs but it was the RTHs which caught my eye. First thought was Kohlert, maybe even Keilwerth, but that L/H pinky table with nail file G# rules those out...

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Conn style 'nail file' G#'s are found on some of the german saxes, although that one is different..
I had a look at a few pics of Hawkes XX Century saxes and saw that they had rolled tone holes, which I don't remember from the few that I've handled in the dim and distant past
The history of Boosey and Hawkes joining up and what happened with their sax manufacturing isn't clear - Hawkes may well have continued making saxes after the merger... I may be imagining it, but I'm sure someone told me about Boosey saxes, which may or may not have been stencils.
Kohlert, Amati and god knows who else made stencils for Boosey & Hawkes after the war, but this one has a wire type keyguard, rather than the sheet metal ones more prevalent post WWII
 

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b flat mark on the back, per the seller, which (if true) confirms LP.
 

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The sax David linked to is very different from the other. I'd guess it's a German/Cz stencil, but the lh table has me lost. For once I agree, not Kohlert. Now someone will prove me wrong....
 

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You would think though, that the factory making the Hawkes instruments would have still continued functioning under the new B&H 'regime' ...?
I've got a Hawkes 20th cent and it's actually my favourite alto, sounds great and has seriously 'proper' build quality ! ..my one has rolled T holes, in fact all the others I remember had them too ( I did have another one in the 1970s )
 

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