Discussion in 'R & B, blues, soul' started by Saxlicker, Oct 8, 2010.
Way Back Home,
Please don't apologise, I've not come across Wilton Felder and I'm really pleased to have seen that video, thanks. So is that a Berg and a Yamaha he's playing?
Yes, Wilton is great. That's also one of my favourite bass lines, what a groove.
Looks like a Berg, and my vote would be for a King, it's definitely not a Yamaha.
I think the Berg is a 105 / 0
And a King super 20
Yep, my mistake, definitely not a Yamaha, I'll have to look up 'Kings' as I know nothing about them. It's a wonderful baseline.
Thanks Saxlicker, any other recordings or albums you'd suggest I try find of Wilton Felder?
The giveaway is the conical shaped keycups.
Thanks for that - it made my evening ! Nicely recorded too, which helps.
Looks like he has got a fancy aftermarket neck on his King, possibly a Gloger ?
I've just found a few pics on the web and see what you mean about the conical shaped keycups.
Edit: And looking On My Born to Run boxset isn't Clarence Clemons playing one?
I believe he was a bass player and then on sax became one of the founder members with 'The Jazz Crusaders', later to become simply 'The Crusaders'. So that is Wilton on the ever popular Street Life solo.
A hat full of recordings there then!
I have a few Wilton Felder solo albums but the one that absolutely typifies what I love about his style has to be 'Inherit the wind'
I was introduced to it about 18 years ago and some of the recording effects on the album seemed a little dated then, but his soul just comes right out and grabs ya!
These days, I don't even notice those effects and can't ever imagine his playing sounding dated or stale.
Hope that s a good start!
A brilliant start, thanks Saxlicker.
I love it when I have someone new to discover.
Interesting thought Rhys,
In my ignorance I had ASSuMEd it was just a late super 20 neck. I have seen some super 20's auctioned that were later models and came with ordinary over slung octave levers. Further more some weren't even silver, but now I'm all sketchy on the on the facts.
Nice sax and clip.
In the early 60's King dropped the underslung octave key and the neck got a brace. I guess that was a collaboration with the SML company. And they also dropped the double socket at that time.
Clarence is with a King Super 20 from the 50's on the "Born To Run" sleeve. But on all performances I've seen from 70's to 2009 he had been first on Selmer Mk VI tenor with a reforced neck (brace) with Berg Larsen and later Keilwerth with Rovner Deep-V. You can quite often see a Selmer neck with a brace. Maybe CC blew a King Super 20 on clubgigs. CC played Yamaha soprano and bari.
Not maybe ... he did play King Super 20 tenor on gigs. The picture is from mid 70's and I think from a smaller place.
1 of my fave tenor cats is he,thats the way to sound on ya tenor,big,muscular,brooding,wailing and singing.I love him.
I need to hear more of this!
Excellent player Wilton Felder - I have this concert on DVD. During the 1970s Wilton did a lot of sessions as a bass player, playing on albums by Steely Dan, Michael Franks, Seal & Crofts, etc. With the Crusaders played bass and saxes in the studio, but sax on gigs with sub bass players like Roger Popwell, Alphonso Johnson and Freddie Washington. I have quite a few Crusaders albums, also Wilton's solo stuff and some Wayne Henderson. Played Aria basses in the late 70s and Yamaha saxes in the 80s and 90s. On Tina Turner's Private Dancer album the Crusaders back Tina on a cover version of a Beatles tune with Wilton on bass and sax.
Trevor, that for me IS the business.
Nice vid really enjoyed it thanks for posting!
I think this tune has caught my soul somehow, it's never that far away and it comes so readily into my mind, to me it is simply beautiful.
I've decided I'm going to learn Wilton Felder's part, I've never transcribed anything before so it's going to be interesting, but I can't think of a better tune to start on, it's a tune I'd love to have ingrained in me.
Thanks again Saxlicker.
I'm pleased it has the desired effect, does it for me all the time, everytime!
Have you got hold of inherit the wind? Or otherstuff.
Doc says, no we can't cure the soul, once you're infected with his blues........;}
A very smooth player indeed, and as Rhys pointed out, the quality of the recording really makes this piece sound absolutely fabulous.
I had the pleasure of playing in a support act before a Crusaders gig in Derby in the 90s. Got to meet Wilton and listen to him play up close!
He came across as a lovely guy, and very supportive of younger players. He has been a hero of mine ever since.
I had a little spend in iTunes and got two versions of 'Way Back Home' both are live, 'It Happens Everyday (Live)', 'Ballad for Joe (Live)' & 'Inherit the Wind (Live)'. Then I decided as I was planning on learning 'Way Back Home' I'd get [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]'The Crusaders - Live at Montreux 2003[/SIZE][/FONT]' DVD which I think that youtube video was ripped from, so I ordered that today.
And I've got 'Gold' at the top of my Amazon wish list.
Oh and the Berg (105 / 0) and King Super 20 are on there way
Yes thats right it was...
I have it too, it's a great watch all the way through.
... and then I woke up and it was a dream no King, no Berg, and I can't play like Wilton Felder.
But I have made a start on working out his part, it is harder than I thought it would be, transcribing that is, you really have to listen, I guess with practice it gets easier.
I really enjoyed this! Sounds fantastic, and plays..... With so much feeling!
Same song, different feel and what great playing by Ronnie Cuber on baritone (his solo starts at about 3:30 if you can't wait):
I wish I could play bari anything like that.
Ronnie is THE man on bari for me...thats excellent.
Have you seen/got 'East meets West' DVD by the Gadd Gang?
You wont be disappointed if you do.
here is one track from it and how cool is Cornel Dupree?
I've just got the Crusaders DVD this video of 'Way back Home' came from and it's really worth getting, it's a wonderful concert and has been sensitively shot so you can see what's going on, and the video and audio quality is excellent.
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